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Twin Villages: Panzer Graveyard
Elsenborn Ridge #8
(Attacker) Germany vs United States (Attacker)
Formations Involved
Germany 12th SS “Hitler Jugend” Panzer Division
United States 2nd "Indianhead" Infantry Division
United States 644th Tank Destroyer Battalion
United States 741st Tank Battalion
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Total
Side 1 2
Draw 0
Side 2 6
Overall Rating, 8 votes
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4
3
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3.5
Scenario Rank: 420 of 940
Parent Game Elsenborn Ridge
Historicity Historical
Date 1944-12-18
Start Time 12:00
Turn Count 16
Visibility Day
Counters 76
Net Morale 0
Net Initiative 0
Maps 1: 23
Layout Dimensions 43 x 28 cm
17 x 11 in
Play Bounty 84
AAR Bounty 159
Total Plays 8
Total AARs 3
Battle Types
Inflict Enemy Casualties
Rural Assault
Urban Assault
Conditions
Off-board Artillery
Reinforcements
Scenario Requirements & Playability
Elsenborn Ridge Base Game
Introduction

With the Lausdell crossroads in German hands, the SS could finally strike the twin villages themselves. The panzers assaulted the stone buildings directly, backed by their own panzer grenadiers and infantrymen of the 12th Volksgrenadier Division, a veteran outfit despite its title. Inspired by McKinley's stand and the awesome artillery support, the Americans fought for every room of every building in both villages.

Conclusion

Punishing artillery fire had gutted the SS panzer grenadier battalions during the morning battle, but rather than await help from other formations 12th SS simply sent its tanks against the villages with little to no infantry support. American bazooka teams took a fearful toll on German armor in the narrow village streets: 60 by German admission, over 100 by American claims. The arrival of Volksgrenadier infantry eased the slaughter somewhat, but when night fell the Americans still held most of the villages.


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AFV Rules Pertaining to this Scenario's Order of Battle
  • Vulnerable to results on the Assault Combat Chart (7.25, 7.63, ACC), and may be attacked by Anti-Tank fire (11.2, DFT). Anti-Tank fire only affects the individual unit fired upon (7.62, 11.0).
  • AFV's are activated by tank leaders (3.2, 3.3, 5.42, 6.8). They may also be activated as part of an initial activating stack, but if activated in this way would need a tank leader in order to carry out combat movement.
  • AFV's do not block Direct Fire (10.1).
  • Full-strength AFV's with "armor efficiency" may make two anti-tank (AT) fire attacks per turn (either in their action segment or during opportunity fire) if they have AT fire values of 0 or more (11.2).
  • Each unit with an AT fire value of 2 or more may fire at targets at a distance of between 100% and 150% of its printed AT range. It does so at half its AT fire value. (11.3)
  • Efficient and non-efficient AFV's may conduct two opportunity fires per turn if using direct fire (7.44, 7.64). Units with both Direct and AT Fire values may use either type of fire in the same turn as their opportunity fire, but not both (7.22, 13.0). Units which can take opportunity fire twice per turn do not have to target the same unit both times (13.0).
  • Demoralized AFV's are not required to flee from units that do not have AT fire values (14.3).
  • Place a Wreck marker when an AFV is eliminated in a bridge or town hex (16.3).
  • AFV's do not benefit from Entrenchments (16.42).
  • AFV's may Dig In (16.2).
  • Open-top AFV's: Immune to M, M1 and M2 results on Direct and Bombardment Fire Tables, but DO take step losses from X and #X results (7.25, 7.41, 7.61, BT, DFT). If a "2X" or "3X" result is rolled, at least one of the step losses must be taken by an open-top AFV if present.
  • Closed-top AFV's: Immune to M, M1 and M2 results on Direct and Bombardment Fire Tables. Do not take step losses from Direct or Bombardment Fire. If X or #X result on Fire Table, make M morale check instead (7.25, 7.41, 7.61, BT, DFT).
  • Closed-top AFV's: Provide the +1 modifier on the Assault Table when combined with infantry. (Modifier only applies to Germans in all scenarios; Soviet Guards in scenarios taking place after 1942; Polish, US and Commonwealth in scenarios taking place after 1943.) (ACC)
  • Tank: all are closed-top and provide the +1 Assault bonus, when applicable
  • Tank Destroyer: do not provide the +1 Assault bonus, even if closed-top (SB)

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Germany Order of Battle
Heer
Schutzstaffel
  • Mechanized
United States Order of Battle
Army
  • Mechanized

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5 Errata Items
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The reduced direct fire value of the Heer HMG became 5-5 starting with Fall of France.

(plloyd1010 on 2015 Jul 31)
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The reduced direct fire value of the SS HMG is 5-5 in Beyond Normandy and Road to Berlin.

(plloyd1010 on 2015 Jul 31)
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The Units in Beyond Normandy were misprinted with a movement factor of 5. The movement factor should be 8.

(rerathbun on 2012 Mar 21)
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Liberation 1944's counters are mislabeled 'PzIVF2.' The counter's ratings are correct (Armor 5, Move 8, DF 11-6, AT 6-8).

(rerathbun on 2014 Feb 14)
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The M18 has a special rule in Battle of the Bulge but it applies globally: "A two-step M18 unit can fire one anti-tank shot and move half its movement allowance (retain fractions) in a single impulse. The order in which it does these two actions is the player's choice."

(Shad on 2010 Dec 15)

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Artillery rules the day...
Author campsawyer
Method Solo
Victor United States
Play Date 2011-08-25
Language English
Scenario ElsR008

This is the last in a series of scenarios for the battles around the twin villages and is certainly the bloodiest. The way the scenario is constructed has the Americans and Germans locked in combat for the twin villages. Both forces will immediately assault each other with there close proximity. OBA is plentiful for the Americans and good for the Germans, but dropping the shells on the prime targets will probably have a high risk of friendly fire. Leaders will be key to keep units going and for an assault bonus.

As stated about setup is different, both sides are going to be lock in the two towns. In my play the Americans controlled most of the northern town (Rotheract) while the Germans controlled most of the southern town (Krinkelt). The Germans have tried to form assault groups with tank and infantry groups. The Americans look to have the numbers of INF grouped together to hold the town hexes and use their artillery to blast the Germans. Reinforcements will appear sometime after turn 4 for the Germans.

To start the Germans use their OBA to try to hit the Americans in Krinkelt, but miss and score friendly fire on one of their assault groups, disrupting and demoralizing the troops. The Americans go after the Germans and hit them with OBA and DF, scoring several step losses and demoralizations. German fire continues to miss the American troops but the Americans get bold and assault some of the demoralized SS troops. By the end of the first turn, there is a total of seven step losses for both side and several town hexes are contested.

Turn 2 has the Americans going after some of the Panzers posed to support the assaults. American DF and bazooka teams in the assaults score hits on the Pzkw IVH's, while the Panthers fend off the attacks. German artillery still misses its targets and the Germans are forced to recover disrupted/demoralized troops before they become casualties. American tanks start to position for some shots on German Panzers locked in assaults and forces them to make desperate attacks or try to retreat out of assault hexes. By the end of turn two, step losses on both sides are now up to 14 steps as well as three town hexes contested.

Turn 3 is a big one for the American OBA, four direct hits for steps losses and demoralizing of German tanks and one leader lost. The SS troops start to flee from the town hexes and the Americans look to retake the towns. The Germans do score kills on American armor with the lost of one M18 and one M4. German OBA is miserable and the American infantry is able to survive the weak attacks.

Turn 4 German OBA finally comes alive and scores a kill on the Americans. But the Germans have a bigger problem, morale. Most of the remaining troops are disrupted or demoralized and forces them to try to recover. The Americans take advantage of this with there OBA and continue to keep the German infantry weakened. The German tanks try to put some offensive together, but American infantry lock them in assaults and a Panther unit takes a loss from a bazooka team. At the end of the turn the Germans have lost 13 steps and the Americans 8 steps.

Turns 5 and 6 follow the same pattern as the Germans await their reinforcements. These finally arrive on turn 7. The Volksgrenadiers are thrown right into the fight for Krinkelt, but the Americans look to stop them with OBA. The artillery does the job with the Volksgrendiers suffering heavy casualties advancing town the town. American HMG's keep the Germans back. This gives time for the SS troops in Krinkelt to recover and they are able to get back into the fight for turn 8. But the American troops seem to be immune to morale checks and German fire has no effect. In Rotheract, the Germans are nearly complete pushed out and the Americans continue potshots at the remained as some of the troops are shifted to the battle in Krinkelt. Step loss 17 for the Germans 10 for the Americans.

Turn 11, this is probably the last attempt for the Germans to try to get Krinkelt. The Volksgrenadiers have recovered and the SS have scored disruptions on the American defenders. German OBA misses the target and causes friendly fire disruptions to the SS troops. The VG's move up but American OBA pound the Germans and demoralize the German attack. The supporting Pzkw IVH in support move up but it is to little to late.

The final score is Americans 29, Germans 23.

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That's why you don't do that in an Igo-Ugo game.
Author plloyd1010
Method Solo
Victor Germany
Play Date 2022-04-12
Language English
Scenario ElsR008

This play began as shared play over a year ago, back when Über v2.6 was the thing. My opponent insisted that we use several optional rules from the 4th Edition set. Of particular interest was the efficient split move and fire rule. I suggest that we not use that rule, but my opponent insisted. The coin flip gave me the Germans.

The setup was quite conventional. I deployed my SS troopers in 3 groups with tank support floating behind them. My center group moved on the northern town from the northwest while my left side (east) approached from the northeast. My right side moved through the woods to interdict any support that might come from the southern town.

Things got seriously ugly for the American armor from the get-go. Using the afore mentioned, and not recommended, split move and fire rule I advanced on the Americans from alternating sides, first with the Panthers, with the PZIVh's. The M18's died in swift fiery deaths, only able to get a couple ineffective shots off. The Shermans fared little better. As turn 2 closed, 1 Sherman remained, running like a scared rabbit through the eastern woods. With the arrival of the 12th VG division on turn 3 my opponent abandoned the game.

I recently pulled up the game and updated it to see if the Americans might recover. The SS slowly won the battle for the northern town, grinding the American infantry down, mostly through compound morale and rally failures, and not having a retreat path. The volksgrenadiers had more trouble. American artillery and good infantry firepower broke up the German advance. The resulting firefight favored the Americans until the northern town fell. After that, the combined threat spelled doom.

The split move and fire rule had seriously unbalanced the game in favor of the Germans. The only advantage the Americans really had was their artillery. It slowed the SS center in the north and stopped the VG advance from the south before it got to the town.

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Escenario malo, muy malo
Author enrique
Method Solo
Victor United States
Play Date 2012-07-12
Language Español
Scenario ElsR008

En este escenario dos compañías de la SS apoyadas por cuatro secciones de tanques "Panther" y 3 de PzIVH se enfrentan a tres compañías de infantería americana, apoyadas por dos secciones de "Sherman" M4 y otras dos de cazatanques M18. Los alemanes reciben el refuerzo, una vez empezada la batalla, de dos compañías reforzadas de infantería (12th Volksgrenadier Division).

Hasta aquí parece un escenario normal. Sin embargo la partida deja de tener interés al conocer la artillería fuera del tablero de los americanos: 5 x 24, 8 x 18. Esto supone que los americanos disponen en cada turno de cuatro salvas de artillería en la columna 55 y una de 21 de la tabla de bombardeo, con lo que el combate queda totalmente desequilibrado. En particular, los refuerzos alemanes (moral 7/6) son completamente inútiles, incluso contraproducentes, a no ser que se mantengan escondidos de la vista del enemigo toda la partida.

La pesadilla acaba en el turno 11, cuando el comandante alemán se ve incapaz de seguir adelante a la vista de su infantería casi aniquilada. En realidad la partida no debería haber empezado.

Este escenario refuerza mis sospechas de que el sistema Panzer Grenadier brilla realmente con combates de la primera mitad de la guerra, cuando los combatientes disponen de una capacidad de fuego limitada y los blindados carecen de una protección excesiva. En esas circunstancias se aprecian mejor las cualidades del sistema, en particular de la buena maniobra. En partidas como la presente hay sólo una exhibición de fuerza bruta que las hace, a mi juicio, muy aburridas.

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2012-07-12 05:11

Enrique,

I think that scenario is just a poor example what with so much OBA piling in on the Germans. Don't lose hope with the later war scenarios. Some of my favourites have come from RtB and Elsenborn Ridge etc.

2012-07-12 14:47

Thanks, Vince.

Yes, really there are good scenarios in RtB and ER, but perhaps the system shines in 1939-1941 scenarios.

Unfortunately my English is very bad. Otherwise, it would be an honor and a pleasure to play a game with you via Skype.

Best wishes,

Enrique

2012-07-14 02:56

Enrique,

I would LOVE to play you too.

One day, they will have voice Skypes that translate whilst you talk.... when they do, then it will be game on !

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