Russian T-28 Values?

[rules_heretic]

I'm looking at the T-28 (values here:   PG-HQ T-28 Info )  and I'm trying to figure out what these values represent.

In my edition of ASL, the T-28 has a short barrel 76mm gun nowhere near the equal of medium velocity 76mm mounted on early T-34s.

[saracv3]

This question is related to Rules' question, but not about the T28. I have discovered that the BT-5 is a faster AFV than its successor, the BT-7. Yet the BT-7 is rated a 9 movement factor, while the BT-5 is an 8. It really should be reversed. The BT-5 should be a 9; the BT-7 an 8.

[rules_heretic]

saracv, how about off-road performance?  On hard road, you are probably exactly right.

[saracv3]

Hmm, I still think BT-5 is faster. I’ll double check.

[Hugmenot]

Combat values are generally the designer's and Mike's choice.

I spoke up a couple of times when I saw something that felt wrong while developing scenarios but in the vast majority of cases, just accepted the values proposed by Mike and the designers.

[saracv3]

Just bought Zaloga’s book on the BT series from Google. Waiting for it to download. Looks like a definitive source. Wikipedia says BT-7 is faster. I’m rubbing my eyes! Could have swore that BT-5 was faster. I looked at various sources for an hour!

So I may have to take back my bold statement. Interestingly, another page is telling me that the BT-2 is really fast on the road: 100km/hr. !

[cjsiam]

We have to remember that in a 15min turn lots happens...
it's not just the gun---ammo, speed to reload, crew per turret, optics, etc.

for movement---even though a unit might run down the road at 100km/hr....can a leader keep
the unit in control at that speed? would they dare to do that as a platoon/company with enemy in the area?

So--it's more then just the hard numbers for a gun, or an engine....
It's multiple vehicles maintaining cohesion, or directed fire.....

Given how much time/effort....individual unit variation --- I think Hidden units is more impactful
then anything involving a unit difference.....until that gets folded into your play...you're still way off simulation of actual event...

[saracv3]

I'm looking at the T-28 (values here:   PG-HQ T-28 Info )  and I'm trying to figure out what these values represent.

In my edition of ASL, the T-28 has a short barrel 76mm gun nowhere near the equal of medium velocity 76mm mounted on early T-34s.

One difference is that the 76.2mm on the T-28 non-variant was that it was a howitzer vs. the AP type in the T-34. Basically, the T-28 was a 1920s era design w a WWI artillery piece as its main armament. But variants were built later that used the better AP 76.2mm. The T-28A had a 27/32 76.2mm gun, introduced in 1934. i'm assuming that was an AP gun, but i can't find info on it yet.  There is a book in Russian devoted to the 76.2mm in the Open Library. It's titled Geniii Sovetskoi artillerii by A.B Shirokorod, 2002.

[saracv3]

I'm looking at the T-28 (values here:   PG-HQ T-28 Info )  and I'm trying to figure out what these values represent.

In my edition of ASL, the T-28 has a short barrel 76mm gun nowhere near the equal of medium velocity 76mm mounted on early T-34s.

One difference is that the 76.2mm on the T-28 non-variant was that it was a howitzer vs. the AP type in the T-34. Basically, the T-28 was a 1920s era design w a WWI artillery piece as its main armament. But variants were built later that used the better AP 76.2mm. The T-28A had a 27/32 76.2mm gun, introduced in 1934. i'm assuming that was an AP gun, but i can't find info on it yet.  There is a book in Russian devoted to the 76.2mm in the Open Library. It's titled Geniii Sovetskoi artillerii by A.B Shirokorod, 2002.

The author’s name is Shirokorad, not Shirokorod. Sorry for the mistake. The book seems elusive to find. I was going to import it and use a transalator. I understand the engineer, Grabin, worked as part of an anonymous design team in a Leningrad munitions plant. He was maltreated by Soviet government for most of his life and this book tells the story.