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Russian T-28 Values? - rules_heretic - 07-31-2020
I'm looking at the T-28 (values here: PG-HQ T-28 Info ) and I'm trying to figure out what these values represent.
In my edition of ASL, the T-28 has a short barrel 76mm gun nowhere near the equal of medium velocity 76mm mounted on early T-34s.
RE: Russian T-28 Values? - saracv3 - 08-01-2020
This question is related to Rules' question, but not about the T28. I have discovered that the BT-5 is a faster AFV than its successor, the BT-7. Yet the BT-7 is rated a 9 movement factor, while the BT-5 is an 8. It really should be reversed. The BT-5 should be a 9; the BT-7 an 8.
RE: Russian T-28 Values? - rules_heretic - 08-01-2020
saracv, how about off-road performance? On hard road, you are probably exactly right.
RE: Russian T-28 Values? - saracv3 - 08-01-2020
Hmm, I still think BT-5 is faster. I’ll double check.
RE: Russian T-28 Values? - Hugmenot - 08-01-2020
Combat values are generally the designer's and Mike's choice.
I spoke up a couple of times when I saw something that felt wrong while developing scenarios but in the vast majority of cases, just accepted the values proposed by Mike and the designers.
RE: Russian T-28 Values? - saracv3 - 08-01-2020
Just bought Zaloga’s book on the BT series from Google. Waiting for it to download. Looks like a definitive source. Wikipedia says BT-7 is faster. I’m rubbing my eyes! Could have swore that BT-5 was faster. I looked at various sources for an hour!
So I may have to take back my bold statement. Interestingly, another page is telling me that the BT-2 is really fast on the road: 100km/hr. !
RE: Russian T-28 Values? - cjsiam - 08-01-2020
We have to remember that in a 15min turn lots happens...
it's not just the gun---ammo, speed to reload, crew per turret, optics, etc.
for movement---even though a unit might run down the road at 100km/hr....can a leader keep
the unit in control at that speed? would they dare to do that as a platoon/company with enemy in the area?
So--it's more then just the hard numbers for a gun, or an engine....
It's multiple vehicles maintaining cohesion, or directed fire.....
Given how much time/effort....individual unit variation --- I think Hidden units is more impactful
then anything involving a unit difference.....until that gets folded into your play...you're still way off simulation of actual event...
RE: Russian T-28 Values? - saracv3 - 08-01-2020
(07-31-2020, 01:19 PM)rules_heretic Wrote: I'm looking at the T-28 (values here: PG-HQ T-28 Info ) and I'm trying to figure out what these values represent.
In my edition of ASL, the T-28 has a short barrel 76mm gun nowhere near the equal of medium velocity 76mm mounted on early T-34s.
One difference is that the 76.2mm on the T-28 non-variant was that it was a howitzer vs. the AP type in the T-34. Basically, the T-28 was a 1920s era design w a WWI artillery piece as its main armament. But variants were built later that used the better AP 76.2mm. The T-28A had a 27/32 76.2mm gun, introduced in 1934. i'm assuming that was an AP gun, but i can't find info on it yet. There is a book in Russian devoted to the 76.2mm in the Open Library. It's titled Geniii Sovetskoi artillerii by A.B Shirokorod, 2002.
RE: Russian T-28 Values? - saracv3 - 08-01-2020
(08-01-2020, 03:56 AM)saracv3 Wrote:The author’s name is Shirokorad, not Shirokorod. Sorry for the mistake. The book seems elusive to find. I was going to import it and use a transalator. I understand the engineer, Grabin, worked as part of an anonymous design team in a Leningrad munitions plant. He was maltreated by Soviet government for most of his life and this book tells the story.(07-31-2020, 01:19 PM)rules_heretic Wrote: I'm looking at the T-28 (values here: PG-HQ T-28 Info ) and I'm trying to figure out what these values represent.
In my edition of ASL, the T-28 has a short barrel 76mm gun nowhere near the equal of medium velocity 76mm mounted on early T-34s.
One difference is that the 76.2mm on the T-28 non-variant was that it was a howitzer vs. the AP type in the T-34. Basically, the T-28 was a 1920s era design w a WWI artillery piece as its main armament. But variants were built later that used the better AP 76.2mm. The T-28A had a 27/32 76.2mm gun, introduced in 1934. i'm assuming that was an AP gun, but i can't find info on it yet. There is a book in Russian devoted to the 76.2mm in the Open Library. It's titled Geniii Sovetskoi artillerii by A.B Shirokorod, 2002.