11-07-2012, 02:10 AM,
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J6A
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RE: low Saipan sales numbers...
I don't know how well or poorly KSF is doing. The counter orders have been slow but steady. I think the bigger issue is that there just aren't being enough counters produced to do a big distributor run with these. To do 300 copies of Saipan takes up print capacity for a few weeks (we can do about 250 sheets/week, total) and there are a lot of other things besides PG being printed. I think KSF will do fine once it gets into stores, and right now, I get the impression that AP still hasn't shipped all of the pre-orders (or maybe its just a few that fell between the cracks).
I got Saipan on a whim and to support AP. I'm not as interested in the Pacific, and this one does look interesting. After all, I hear the designer does excellent scenarios...I mean, they are all rated 4s and 5s.
I agree about sending a copy to Marco. That could help. He just reviewed GMT's Panzer, and this would be in a similar vein.
On an unrelated note - Larry, you're near Burbank? We should get together for some PG next time I'm in SoCal, which is likely to be early December. If all goes as expected, I'll be seeing clients in Arcadia and Costa Mesa (VPG).
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11-07-2012, 06:12 AM,
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Hugmenot
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RE: low Saipan sales numbers...
(11-07-2012, 05:51 AM)Poor Yorek Wrote: Failing that, I'd rather see APL fail and PG's copyright & system picked up by a company who can provide a quality product in a timely manner with decent customer support - in other words, exactly what I expect from ANY product. I recommend you never buy a laptop from Dell or any middleware products from ANY SOURCE if that is your expectation; you risk being severely disappointed.
I am not arguing your right to post criticism but I do take issue at your alluding your expectation is a standard met by most companies.
In my 25+ years of experience consulting in the IT business, rare is the occasion in which we did not have to find our own workarounds to problems vendors acknowledge but refuse or could not fix. Even muti-million maintenance contracts are not usually enough to entice companies to meet said expectation.
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11-07-2012, 07:33 AM,
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RE: low Saipan sales numbers...
I am sure Saipan will do OK sales wise eventually, but lets not kid ourselves we are in a hobby which is in a terminal decline with very few young people having an interest in military history and gaming, war game sales will slowly decline to a point where they are not viable.
This is not really a reflection on AP/PG just a sad fact of life.
In regards to Jay's and PY's posts, anyone who posts on this forum is a PG supporter and are entitled to air their views, this is an independent forum and and long may it remain so, personally I am looking forward to playing Saipan but should AP fold tomorrow and there are no new PG scenarios ever, well life will still go and I have about another 1000 + scenarios to attempt so plenty still to play and discuss.
Live long and prosper.
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11-07-2012, 08:40 AM,
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Shad
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RE: low Saipan sales numbers...
*yawn*
The good discussions always happen while I'm asleep... I think you guys are trying to avoid me!
This thread expanded rather naturally from one game's merits to that of the company. And that's because people have something to say on the topic. And that's why we're here!
The anecdotes about game stores was telling. That's a part of the hobby I've never had a good grasp of. My hometown of Tampa, FL has two "games stores" and they both cater almost entirely to miniatures and table-top card games like Magic. During a quick stop back home in September the closest thing I found to a wargame in the first was Small World (laughs) and in the other Axis & Allies. Thanks but no thanks!
So I cannot appreciate the importance of retailers, having never lived near a real one! But I take your feedback at face value.
The laser cut printing seems like a bottleneck, but I'm still personally skeptical there are more than 500 ready purchasers of a boxed PG game anymore for all the reasons others have mentioned.
Why some of you dislike the Pacific Theater is a mystery to me! But that only further reduces the pool of potential customers...
...came for the cardboard, stayed for the camaraderie...
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11-07-2012, 09:46 AM,
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Poor Yorek
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RE: low Saipan sales numbers...
(11-07-2012, 09:09 AM)JayTownsend Wrote: I deleted my earlier posting, I don’t think it added anything beneficial to this folder.
In like vein, I deleted my reply as it is now superfluous.
It was not my intention to generate controversy and I did not anticipate any response to my initial post here: I thought that I was simply giving my personal feedback to the inquiry made by Shad in the OP. In no manner was I reflecting on Jay's work in designing Saipan.
As for Shad's cognitive dissonance regarding why one might have no interest in Pacific Theatre land warfare, one might as well ask why one person is into air combat (or likes to build model airplanes), whereas the next person is into sea warfare (or prefers to build model ships), whereas ... there's no accounting for taste sometimes. : hrugs::
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