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RE: The Korean War Series Project! - dirk - 11-30-2017
Jay, question on the Chinese leadership - looking at the scenarios can the Chinese activate NKPA units? If so Can the NKPA leaders activate Chinese units
RE: The Korean War Series Project! - plloyd1010 - 11-30-2017
Humble pie? I only corrected one little mistake, which has no bearing on the scenario. That is a pretty small slice. ;-)
The OBA question though is important.
RE: The Korean War Series Project! - JayTownsend - 11-30-2017
(11-30-2017, 12:31 PM)dirk Wrote: Jay, question on the Chinese leadership - looking at the scenarios can the Chinese activate NKPA units? If so Can the NKPA leaders activate Chinese units
Good question Dirk.
Similar to Counter-Attacks Special Rule #27.
Chinese (CCP) & North Korean (NKPA) leaders may only affect each other's subordinate leaders, but not the units themselves.
RE: The Korean War Series Project! - dirk - 11-30-2017
Then can you explain the NKPA SMG units in the Chinese OOB.
RE: The Korean War Series Project! - JayTownsend - 11-30-2017
(11-30-2017, 12:59 PM)dirk Wrote: Then can you explain the NKPA SMG units in the Chinese OOB.
Yes, there aren't enough Soviet SMG units/counters in Broken Axis to represent the Chinese units, so I just used the NKPA SMG units/counters to fill in and represent more Chinese SMG units/counters.
RE: The Korean War Series Project! - dirk - 11-30-2017
That make sense, thank you.
RE: The Korean War Series Project! - plloyd1010 - 12-01-2017
Dumb question, probably for Jay, since he has read more on this side of the subject, but open to anyone. Chinese command references didn't follow the western concept until the mid 1950's, so I presume that during the Korean War the Chinese army was using using command references instead of actual ranks. Firstly, is that so?
Assuming the first is yes, the second question becomes, what to use for "ranks"? Some I've heard, others not so sure:
Colonel = Comrade Regiment Leader Commander
Lt. Colonel = Comrade Asst. Regiment Leader/Commander?
Major = Comrade Battalion Leader Commander
Captain = Comrade Company Leader Commander
Lieutenant = Comrade Platoon Leader
Sergeant = Comrade?
Kommissar = Comrade Commissioner?
Any ideas?
RE: The Korean War Series Project! - JayTownsend - 12-01-2017
(12-01-2017, 03:21 AM)plloyd1010 Wrote: Dumb question, probably for Jay, since he has read more on this side of the subject, but open to anyone. Chinese command references didn't follow the western concept until the mid 1950's, so I presume that during the Korean War the Chinese army was using using command references instead of actual ranks. Firstly, is that so?
Assuming the first is yes, the second question becomes, what to use for "ranks"? Some I've heard, others not so sure:
Colonel = Comrade Regiment Leader Commander
Lt. Colonel = Comrade Asst. Regiment Leader/Commander?
Major = Comrade Battalion Leader Commander
Captain = Comrade Company Leader Commander
Lieutenant = Comrade Platoon Leader
Sergeant = Comrade?
Kommissar = Comrade Commissioner?
Any ideas?
The Chinese (CCP) is something like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Ground_Force
Rank category
Rank
Shoulder board insignia
Collar insignia
Marshals
Grand Marshal of the PRC
Marshal of the PRC
General officers
Senior General
General
Lieutenant General
Major General
Field grade officers
Senior Colonel
(Colonel Commandant)
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Unit grade officers
Captain
First Lieutenant
Second Lieutenant
Junior Lieutenant
Cadet officers
Officer Cadet
NCOs
Staff Sergeant
No shoulder insignia
Sergeant
Corporal
Privates
Private First Class
Private
The North Koreans (NKPA) ranks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army_Ground_Force
Equivalent
NATO Code
OR-9
OR-8
OR-7
OR-6
OR-5
OR-4
OR-3
OR-2
OR-1
North Korea
(Edit)
No equivalent
T'ŭkmu-sangsa
특무상사
Sangsa
상사
Chungsa
중사
Hasa
하사
Sanggŭp-pyŏngsa
상급병사
Chungŭp-pyŏngsa
중급병사
Hagŭp-pyŏngsa
하급병사
Chŏnsa
전사
Sergeant Major
Master Sergeant
Sergeant First Class
Staff Sergeant
Sergeant
Corporal
Lance Corporal
Private
Officers[edit]
Generals
Officers
Ranks in Korean
Taejang
대장
Sangjang
상장
Chungjang
중장
Sojang
소장
Taejwa
대좌
Sangjwa
상좌
Chungjwa
중좌
Sojwa
소좌
Taewi
대위
Sangwi
상위
Chungwi
중위
Sowi
소위
Ranks
General of the Army
Colonel General
Lieutenant General
Major General
Senior Colonel
Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
Senior Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Junior Lieutenant
Marshals[edit]
Supreme commanders
Marshals
Ranks in Korean
Tae wonsu
대원수
Konghwaguk Wonsu
공화국원수
Wonsu
원수
Ch'asu
차수
Ranks
Generalissimo
Marshal of the DPRK
Marshal of the KPA
Vice Marshal
Mike had me keep it simple and not have three types of Lieutenants and so on when I first started making the Korean war Games.
Jay
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RE: The Korean War Series Project! - plloyd1010 - 12-01-2017
I saw those. The Dictionary of Contemporary Chinese Military History, p173, says that conventional ranks were not adopted until 1955. (the page is in the preview.) The Wikipedia article alludes to that too. Simple is okay. I am also thinking of my WW2 Chinese counters.
RE: The Korean War Series Project! - JayTownsend - 12-05-2017
I have been erased!
http://www.avalanchepress.com/PusanPreview.php
Ok, just kidding.