Hey Designers : How About BIG Battles

[vince hughes]

Fourth, who has enough friends in real life to play it?

Me ner-ner-na-na-nah

[tlangston28]

Work with it and grow it. You know as well I if a person has the idea, they will need to design it. So go for it.

Vince,

You build it and I will find a way to fly over for a week and play you - but you will have to provide the beer - international laws and all...

[Matt W]

I'll take another look. In the meantime take a look at some of the Fronte Russo scenarios. In particular, Ring of Fire which is towards the end of the book. If I recall it is 6 boards and a whole buncha units - and a very, very good time.

[larry marak]

Tank Battles, Workers and Peasants, and Red Warriors all have humungous scenarios. Takes 5 sets of Red Warriors (tada) just to have the Kutyusha's called for in one of the Operation Mars scenarios in Tank Battles. As a matter of fact, Operation Mars scenarios almost constitute a campaign pack of scenarios on one major battle.

Besides having the maps available, you'd need an organization chart for both sides with at start and reinforcement forces available on a daily schedual for the battle. You'd just need enough counters to populate a 2 or 3 mapper slice of the battle on a single day.

[Matt W]

I really did pull this stuff earlier...

1941 German Infantry Division

81 INF
18 HMG
29 81 mm
9 75mmIG
12 37mm AT
49 wagons
3 CAV
12 ENG
1 120mm MTR
3 105mm
1 150
5 prime movers

from www.orbat.com and then put together. With the original PG, FOF, EFDx and Heroes I have too few INF for two divisions (140+ but not 160)

1941 Panzer Division

45 INF
12 HMG
13 81mm
9 37mm
9 75mmIG
13 ENG
3 150mmIG
3 105mm
1 150mm
9 Skdfz222/Pf204
6 Pz II
14 Pz III/Pz 38(t)
4 Pz IV
4 prime movers
20 SPW 251
88 Truck

1941 Soviet Infantry Division

81 INF
27 HMG
8 82mm
5 45mm
3 76.2mm
3 120mm
5 ENG
3 CAV
2 RCN
2 Ba64 (not sure I have the armored cars right)
2 37mm AA

[vince hughes]

Nice one Matt ... in ftf gaming, there will be double the amount of pieces available

[Matt W]

Vince, Absolutely right! Terrifyingly so. The concept of having an entire Army Corps to play at once boggles the mind. I am, however, trying to find a 10 boarder (5 short wide, 2 long deep) as a test case.

I have also pulled the TOE for some later war divisions but they are understandably vague about some of the support units. Then again, they typically weren't at full complement at any point in time anyhow...

[leonard]

I think I recall Philippe publishing a huge scenario he wanted to play at a convention in 2012. I might have saved it on my home computer. I will check tonight.

I'm afraid it's not big enough for Vince : it's "only" the full Gembloux battle in May 1940 with a large historical map from Perbais (north) to the area south of Gembloux... It was played in tournament as team play (4 players).

[Hugmenot]

Is the scenario available for download? It seems I did not do so the first time I saw it.

[zaarin7]

If you want divisional templates at platoon scale go to Consimworld for under W W II game series. Just above the thread for this series is the one for Panzerblitz/Panzer Leader/Arab-Israeli Wars. In the header is a link to Greg Moore's site. He has done dozens of divisional TO&E's in PB/PL terms but it would be easily convertible to this system. They are all downloadable as pdf's and if you can work with that format it would be simple. Just use the counter images from here or scan your own. Just be sure to contact Greg. I'm sure he would have no problem with somebody doing this. I'm pointing to the site to save somebody the trouble of reinventing the wheel.

The main problem I see with a divisional game is the leader mix does not go above regimental command. You would almost need a leader set made just for this project.