(03-02-2026, 05:30 AM)plloyd1010 Wrote: (02-28-2026, 04:50 AM)Blackcloud6 Wrote: Out of context, many, if not most tanks in WWII used hand cranks for turret traverse. This was one, of many reasons why the Sherman was a superior tank because of its electric drive turret.
I did a quick check of the major combatants and here are some cursory findings:- Germany: PzKw III and later have hydraulic powered traverse. Very early PzKw III might not. PzKw i & II are hand cranked.
- Soviet Union: T-34 & KV-1 electrically powered turret traverse. Tanks before them and the T-60 are hand cranked.
- United Kingdom: Tanks before the are Cromwell & Churchill are hand cranked, except for the Matilda II, which has electric powered traverse. The Cromwell, Churchill and later are hydraulic.
- Italy: M11/39 and onward have hydraulic powered traverse.
- United States: M3 Stuart, M10 Wolverine and onward electric variable speed traverse. Starting with the M4 & M18 there are also gun stabilizers, which are not extensively used until later in the war.
- Japan: Type 3 Chi-Nu and later designs have electrical power traverse. This wasn't produced until 1944.
- France: Char B1 bis & S35 electric power traverse. All one-man turrets and the Char 2C are hand cranked.
(02-28-2026, 03:23 AM)treadasaurusrex Wrote: Oh, and do you remember the myriad of knocked out, turretless, SU-100, SU-122 and SU-85s that the Israelis -- in fast moving, turreted tanks -- outmaneuvered & levered out of their prepared positions in 1956 and 1967 in both Syria and the Sinai.
According to a recently retired tanker (battlecarrysabot), it is quicker to turn the vehicle than to traverse the turret when in a hurry. As this was with an Abrams tank, having a jet engine, it might not hold true for WW2 vehicles which have diesel engines.
Hi everyone!! I meant that it's faster for crews to pivot the tank and make small manual traverse adjustments rather than make large traverses with manuals only. So if I had to cover a large angle between targets from a stationary position, I would train a crew to 1) powered traverse, 2) pivot then manual refinements, 3) manual traverse (where in 2 and 3 the tank didn't have hydraulic power due to maint or enemy effects). I think that techinque 2 isn't that difficult to train a crew on for a full traverse turreted vehicle, and would probably be a very basic drill for a crew of a vehicle with limited traverse because it's the fastest engagement technique.
For the game, I agree with blackcloud6 that each turn encompasses the Platoon's cumulative actions over a 15min period, so assault guns having effeciency and flanking fire rules are realistic. For assault guns, this is a result of their crews employing drills over 15mins to engage mutliple targets, and for the flanking fire, I think it's a result of all armored Platoons executing the very basic tactic of action left/right to present the frontal armor to the target.