(11-21-2020, 02:29 AM)waynebaumber Wrote: (10-13-2020, 01:00 AM)Bangla Wrote: (06-26-2020, 06:15 AM)joe_oppenheimer Wrote: In general you should be able to play any older modules with the 4th edition rules. I was pretty wedded to 3rd ed, but eventually transitioned and have been happy with the changes.
Quote:Hills were limiting terrain in the 3rd edition, but not in the 4th. Scenarios which used hills to cover an approach will be quite unbalanced now.
I find this can be an issue in the older North Africa games (Afrika Korps and Desert Rats) since many scenarios have the defender on a hill that was considered limiting terrain when they were designed. For some of these I've added a house rule to treat the hill as having rocky terrain on it.
Yes. We're just finishing "The Tide Turns" in Desert Rats. The British Infantry become meaningless since they're bombarded throughout the game and just melt away.
Bangla, Tony L told me about this, could the INF not have hidden behind the hills, remember LOS rules for hills mean they do block LOS in certain circumstances. I must admit I always worried about hills being limiting terrain in the 3rd Ed rules. I have not yet played a scenario in 4th edition where I could see the difference but I can see in the desert scenarios where there is no other cover it could make it very trick for the PBI.
They could indeed hide behind the hills. But that would render them useless in the scenario, except perhaps to sneak out and grab a road hex late in the game.
The important thing here though is that the rule change changes the complexion of the scenario ... and many more of them ... so that they become a bit of a waste of time. That's a pity, and I would have preferred the game/module designers had looked at their scenarios and recommended changes to cope. For this scenario, and perhaps other desert scenarios too, I would recommend considering hills as limiting terrain also.
