(07-05-2012, 10:45 PM)vince hughes Wrote: Wait till Fred (Blackcloud) sees that you written that. He's a Shermophile and will defend them to his last breath (which it will be against a PzIVH - couldn't resist that Fred HEHE !).
I know lovers of them defend them, but practically every veteran I spoke to here in England never rated them against the German stuff.
In fact, further to that. In the Kursk accounts I've recently read, nearly all of them (and from people whom were actually there too) state that the Panthers were knocking out T34's at a kilometre or more (Tigers at 1600m which goes with their 8 range gun incidentally), and yet the T34 was having to get within 200-400m for even just a decent chance rather than certain chance of a kill on the enemy.
Vince, you lead right to a point I have about German tanks being a bit too strong. They can hit tanks at 1-1.5 km but that was single tanks. In PG the Panthers and Tigers have a good chance of knocking out a whole platoon at that range. Given a Panther at max range of 8 has a firepower of 7 vs static tanks, 6 for moving tanks (8, -1 range, -1 moving). With a Shermans armor of 3 and no terrain or other mods yields a +4/+3 modifier, giving the Panther a 50-60% chance of a single step kill and 35-40% chance of a full platoon kill. But if you look at the overall engagement ranges for armor it was still under 1km for both eastern and western fronts for the end of the war.
