Panzer Grenadier: An Army at Dawn: Tunisia 1943

[vince hughes]

I didn't think the Tiger was in the desert war ?

I was watching a British program about tanks in North Africa a few nights ago and it claimed that there were a few Tiger Is in the later part of it 42-43. That despite their dreaded firepower did not perform well mechanically in the desert, but were present. Funnily enough the documentary also stated that the PzIVs had less armor protection than the PzIIIs, contrary to the PG stats. I didn't think they were present either until watching that program. I had thought the most powerful German tank available at the time was the PzIVF2 but this show claims otherwise.

Actually, I just looked it up on Wikipedia and it backs that up, that they made their appearance in late 42 in Tunisia.

certain versions of the PzIV has lesser armour than later versions of the PzIII. The IV A & D for example would be less resistant than a PzIII H & J I should think, and the E might be about comparable ? Remember a StGIIIG is a PzIIIG chassis and they were plying their trade right up to the Arab-Israeli Wars !

[Brett Nicholson]

I didn't think the Tiger was in the desert war ?

I was watching a British program about tanks in North Africa a few nights ago and it claimed that there were a few Tiger Is in the later part of it 42-43. That despite their dreaded firepower did not perform well mechanically in the desert, but were present. Funnily enough the documentary also stated that the PzIVs had less armor protection than the PzIIIs, contrary to the PG stats. I didn't think they were present either until watching that program. I had thought the most powerful German tank available at the time was the PzIVF2 but this show claims otherwise.

Actually, I just looked it up on Wikipedia and it backs that up, that they made their appearance in late 42 in Tunisia.

certain versions of the PzIV has lesser armour than later versions of the PzIII. The IV A & D for example would be less resistant than a PzIII H & J I should think, and the E might be about comparable ? Remember a StGIIIG is a PzIIIG chassis and they were plying their trade right up to the Arab-Israeli Wars !

The documentary also mentioned how the PzII performed exceptionally and in great numbers. Not for actually battling British tanks but used as bait to lure them into the range of the 88mms. Something the British fell for again and again sadly.

[zaarin7]

Did you use the book that has the same title as the game?

There were 11 Tiger's in s.Pz.Abt.504 in March and April 1943 and 20 Tiger's in s.Pz.Abt.501 from Novermber 1942 to January 1943 per Jantz "Panzertruppen 1943-1945" pg. 15.

"Tiger's in Combat I" has 501 having 10 in November and 1 in December. The same source has 504 having 20 in February, 11 in March and 2 at 5/23/43.

Of course available and operational is two different things. And just a factoid but the Tiger rebuilt and made a runner at Bovington Camp in the U.K. was captured in Tunisia.

[vince hughes]

Z,

Did they (the Tigers) actually go toe-to-toe with any enemy armour at all ?

Tunisia is a very weak part of my WW2 knowledge, so AaD will teach me a thing or two about it. I have the book here, but am currently reading "The Desert War" by Alan Moorhead. Something of a classic and I have to say, 2 chapters in, it is beautifully written and am enjoying it very much. Will probably push onto Tunisia after Moorhead's book.

[larry marak]

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Z,

Did they (the Tigers) actually go toe-to-toe with any enemy armour at all ?

Indeed...see the "Bad Kitty" scenario in Critical's Hits Advanced Tobruk System game. November 28th, 1942. Two Tiger 1's versus 19 Grants equals lots of destroyed Grants.

http://criticalhit.com/CHMB_1.pdf

[waynebaumber]

Z,

Did they (the Tigers) actually go toe-to-toe with any enemy armour at all ?

Tunisia is a very weak part of my WW2 knowledge, so AaD will teach me a thing or two about it. I have the book here, but am currently reading "The Desert War" by Alan Moorhead. Something of a classic and I have to say, 2 chapters in, it is beautifully written and am enjoying it very much. Will probably push onto Tunisia after Moorhead's book.

It is a classic Vince, it WILL make you want to play desert scenario's

[zaarin7]

The maps are up as daily content today.

[richvalle]

Thanks!

Huh, are some of those depressions instead of hills?

[zaarin7]

That was my impression.

[leonard]

Z,

Did they (the Tigers) actually go toe-to-toe with any enemy armour at all ?

Vince,

It was no joke ! These Tigers really fought against French WWI armored cars in the djebel ! True, you might not call them 'armor'...