Desperate Artillery and modifiers...

[cjsiam]

So....There I was....enemy 2MTN troops on the hills above my two batteries....
The Batteries are Howitzers, and are both adjacent to the MTN troops....

In a desperate attempt to prevent them coming off the hill into my hexes-- I activate
both to fire on the MTN troops.....

For the moment let's ignore they are on a hill....

This is a Bombardment into a visible Adjacent hex....So The question of Friendly fire comes up.....
But, it's also adjacent hex---firing over Open Iron sights....

So firing on the MTN troops it's +1Visible to firing unit; +2Adjacent to firing Howitzers -- +3....
Rolling for Friendly fire---sigh....yes, I did....
I get -1Friendly fire....Visible is ignored from Friendly fire(as table clarifies)..... but there is no stricture to ignore for friendly fire for the +2 Adjacent....

We concluded that the intent would be the +2 does NOT apply--- You're not actually Bombarding--your pointing the 
howitzers over Open Sights...and that would be a full 60degrees off the direction of your enemy....

Thoughts?....Should it be a rule as such?

[joe_oppenheimer]

So....There I was....enemy 2MTN troops on the hills above my two batteries....
The Batteries are Howitzers, and are both adjacent to the MTN troops....

In a desperate attempt to prevent them coming off the hill into my hexes-- I activate
both to fire on the MTN troops.....

For the moment let's ignore they are on a hill....

This is a Bombardment into a visible Adjacent hex....So The question of Friendly fire comes up.....
But, it's also adjacent hex---firing over Open Iron sights....

So firing on the MTN troops it's +1Visible to firing unit; +2Adjacent to firing Howitzers -- +3....
Rolling for Friendly fire---sigh....yes, I did....
I get -1Friendly fire....Visible is ignored from Friendly fire(as table clarifies)..... but there is no stricture to ignore for friendly fire for the +2 Adjacent....

We concluded that the intent would be the +2 does NOT apply--- You're not actually Bombarding--your pointing the 
howitzers over Open Sights...and that would be a full 60degrees off the direction of your enemy....

Thoughts?....Should it be a rule as such?

I don't know if there's an official rule, but I know there has been discussion of ignoring friendly fire against the firing unit (if they're stacked with other units it might apply).

[cjsiam]

This was actually a situation where two hexes of Howitzers, adjacent to an enemy unit both fired at the
enemy unit.  They did not combine---had they combined---that's a very interesting difference....in that case 
I think you're saying the discussion was they would not suffer a Friendly fire situation...

They did not combine in this case, so it was two different "over open sights" fires at the MTN troops....
Thus, in each bombardment, the other Arty was adjacent---subject to Friendly fire....

I wonder if Friendly fire should even be assessed in a situation where you're firing across open sights?
I mean---you looking at them and pulling the trigger.....
??

[cjsiam]

This was actually a situation where two hexes of Howitzers, adjacent to an enemy unit both fired at the
enemy unit.  They did not combine---had they combined---that's a very interesting difference....in that case 
I think you're saying the discussion was they would not suffer a Friendly fire situation...

They did not combine in this case, so it was two different "over open sights" fires at the MTN troops....
Thus, in each bombardment, the other Arty was adjacent---subject to Friendly fire....

I wonder if Friendly fire should even be assessed in a situation where you're firing across open sights?
I mean---you're looking at them and pulling the trigger.....
??

[plloyd1010]

This is a corner case, which I don't expect was ever considered in design. Technically, the +2 for firing at adjacent would not apply to the friendly fire roll, it is a non-sequitur.

That said, LOS bombardment and open sights firing has been a sore spot with me. Part of the friendly fire roll, I think, is miscommunication under stress. As communication between the spotter and the firing unit is not an issue, there should be a +1 to the friendly fire roll. For howitzers and similar guns, the probability of miscalculation is less that that of mortars rocket launchers, so maybe the open sights friendly modifier should be +2.