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Army Order of Battles - richvalle - 11-19-2013
I'm going to be lazy and see if anyone has a good link for this info already. I tried a quick Google search but didn't find what I was looking for.
I'm thinking of trying to play PG with the troops more organized semi-historically. Right now I just throw them around all willy-nilly. Something like 3-4 platoons grouped with a Lieutenant to form a company.
In the front of Arctic Front they give a nice breakdown of the Finnish forces... how many platoons per company how the HW platoon was setup. Is there a good source like that for the other armies?
And... How do you play? Organized or willy-nilly?
rv
RE: Army Order of Battles - richvalle - 11-19-2013
Ok, I did find this:
http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/
More complicated then I'm looking for but you can mine it for the info.
RE: Army Order of Battles - plloyd1010 - 11-19-2013
The real question would be what you want to do. Bayonet Strength is very good site what platoon thru battalion firepower levels should be. Sort of a "men behind the counters' sort of thing. Since PG works best at a brigade combat team sort of level, Bayonet Strength covers the infantry components very well.
For larger formations start with WWII Orders of Battle and Organizations. The problem you will find there is that it starts at the company/battalion level. Another thing, some formations are designed to be, and some armies operate in, rather amorphous structures. The background information you noted in Arctic Front might be considered somewhat of an institutional suggestion during the Winter War period. You'll other examples, like American combat commands.
Another good source is The Nafziger Collection of Orders of Battle. It will take a bit of searching. Again it usually starts at the battalion level.
That should get you started. Let me know if you really want to burn out your brain.
RE: Army Order of Battles - Matt W - 11-21-2013
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37721
This is a nice portal to a number of good wire diagrams.
RE: Army Order of Battles - richvalle - 11-21-2013
Thanks Matt and plloyd. I did find some nice wire diagrams from Matt's link and some reading material from plloyd's.
What I want to try to do is to run my troops in a somewhat more historically accurate way. Or see if it's possible to do so well in PG. Right now it's just blobs of men and leaders. 5 platoons here, 1 there, leaders scattered around based on bonuses. I'd like to break them up into 3-4 platoon companies with leaders and see how it works.
Some short comings I can already see...
Might be harder to get a good chain of subordinate activations going.
Things will get muddled in city fighting... not an ahistorical thing I'm sure.
rv
RE: Army Order of Battles - richvalle - 11-22-2013
BTW, this is the kind of thing I was looking for:
http://www.avalanchepress.com/pdf/australian_1939_wire.pdf
http://www.avalanchepress.com/pdf/australian_1942_wire.pdf
So you can see it's 4 companies of 3 platoons each and I could arrange the troops accordingly.
RE: Army Order of Battles - vince hughes - 11-22-2013
(11-22-2013, 01:52 AM)richvalle Wrote: BTW, this is the kind of thing I was looking for:
http://www.avalanchepress.com/pdf/australian_1939_wire.pdf
http://www.avalanchepress.com/pdf/australian_1942_wire.pdf
So you can see it's 4 companies of 3 platoons each and I could arrange the troops accordingly.
This book I have at home has all that for the various nations:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armed-Forces-World-War-II/dp/0856132969
RE: Army Order of Battles - richvalle - 11-22-2013
(11-22-2013, 03:30 AM)vince hughes Wrote: This book I have at home has all that for the various nations:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armed-Forces-World-War-II/dp/0856132969
Well great... when are you going to bring it over?
RE: Army Order of Battles - plloyd1010 - 11-22-2013
I've only seen AP do wire diagrams like AP does. It is quite possible to create wire diagrams like those from the graphics from the PG-HQ library, and researching from the links already found/suggested. I would decipher the companies from Bayonet Strength the build the upper echelons using the the WW2 OOB&O site.
Vince, are we talking about the same book? My copy of Armed Forces of World War II has diagrams that look like this:
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RE: Army Order of Battles - Matt W - 11-22-2013
Rich,
Several of the supplements have wire diagrams, White Eagles and Campaign and Commanders (East Front) have the most if memory serves.