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AFVs combining DF - cjsiam - 05-21-2025
So here I sit, in my town....the Panzers are trundling around the exterior, a bit fearful to jump into the buildings....
Two 3stacks of Pz1s/Pz2s....they are adjacent to my town....and each other....
Thinking it through with my Evil Hun opponent---we don't think the two stacks can combine DF....the Panzers
are instead required to make one attack per stack....
We see NO circumstance where even a Leader with Modifier (Infantry leader....) can help with "Combat modification" (allowing combined fire)
for the Panzers.....
6.82 Tank Leaders - Limitations indicates that TL may not Modify Combat.....and in the rules the thing that allows hexes to combine
fire is a "Combat Modifier"....
So we assessed that the individual stacks could fire alone, but not combine.....thus both firing at 15 on the town adjacent.
cj
RE: AFVs combining DF - plloyd1010 - 05-22-2025
(05-21-2025, 03:49 PM)cjsiam Wrote: We see NO circumstance where even a Leader with Modifier (Infantry leader....) can help with "Combat modification" (allowing combined fire)
for the Panzers.....
6.82 Tank Leaders - Limitations indicates that TL may not Modify Combat.....and in the rules the thing that allows hexes to combine
fire is a "Combat Modifier"....
Well, there is one way, but it takes a bit of planning and coordination. In the first hex, which starts the activation change, a regular leader with a combat modifier and a tank leader are required. In the hex to be combined requires a unit the regular leader can activate and combine fire with, and an AFV which can (obviously) combine fire with that unit. Under rule 7.33, units of in the same hex having the same fire type may always combine their fire strengths. So the leader in the first hex activates units in his hex and the adjacent hex, the tank leader activates and activates the AFV in the adjacent hex. The AFV's combine fire with the other units in their hexes. The other units combine fire by the leader modifier. Only way I know to combine fire of AFV's in adjacent hexes.
I think we had this discussion before.
RE: AFVs combining DF - leonard - 05-22-2025
Tricky !
RE: AFVs combining DF - leonard - 05-24-2025
Note that in PG Modern, this is not a problem since usual leaders command AFVs, too.
RE: AFVs combining DF - cjsiam - 05-24-2025
(05-22-2025, 12:04 AM)plloyd1010 Wrote:(05-21-2025, 03:49 PM)cjsiam Wrote: We see NO circumstance where even a Leader with Modifier (Infantry leader....) can help with "Combat modification" (allowing combined fire)
for the Panzers.....
6.82 Tank Leaders - Limitations indicates that TL may not Modify Combat.....and in the rules the thing that allows hexes to combine
fire is a "Combat Modifier"....
Well, there is one way, but it takes a bit of planning and coordination. In the first hex, which starts the activation change, a regular leader with a combat modifier and a tank leader are required. In the hex to be combined requires a unit the regular leader can activate and combine fire with, and an AFV which can (obviously) combine fire with that unit. Under rule 7.33, units of in the same hex having the same fire type may always combine their fire strengths. So the leader in the first hex activates units in his hex and the adjacent hex, the tank leader activates and activates the AFV in the adjacent hex. The AFV's combine fire with the other units in their hexes. The other units combine fire by the leader modifier. Only way I know to combine fire of AFV's in adjacent hexes.
I think we had this discussion before.
Can someone tell me what to type in the Search bar to find this "before" discussions?
I've tried "AFV combine DF" "AFV combining" "AFV DF".....suggestions?