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FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - cjsiam - 06-03-2022
So, in reading the AAR for this-- wayne and tlangston mention "Hidden ATGun"....
I don't see a special scenario rule saying the defender can hide....did I miss it?
Is there some other rule that comes into play allowing units to be Hidden? (cause as french that would be tre bon!)
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - leonard - 06-03-2022
Not than I know of…
If the French were allowed to dug in, then the optional rule « No Hidden Units Specified » (page 37, 4th Ed rules) could come into play but no…
Maybe some optional rules dating back from 3rd Edition…
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - plloyd1010 - 06-03-2022
Long ago, when life was simpler and dinosaurs roamed across PG-HQ, someone had a standard house rule that stated AT guns setting up in limiting terrain could be hidden. I think that someone was Wayne or Vince. So a house rule is most likely in my mind.
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - joe_oppenheimer - 06-04-2022
4th Edition option rules suggest allowing AT guns to setup hidden.
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - Hugmenot - 06-04-2022
Vince, Wayne and I used to set up AT guns hidden. This was to prevent the opponent to just move a leader within spotting range and bombard the hex without the AT having fired a shot.
Your opponent can still move leaders up and try to spot the AT guns but there is no guarantee it will work.
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - plloyd1010 - 06-04-2022
(06-04-2022, 04:53 AM)joe_oppenheimer Wrote: 4th Edition option rules suggest allowing AT guns to setup hidden.
I don't see where that suggestion is. Where did you see it?
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - cjsiam - 06-04-2022
(06-04-2022, 05:15 AM)Hugmenot Wrote: Vince, Wayne and I used to set up AT guns hidden. This was to prevent the opponent to just move a leader within spotting range and bombard the hex without the AT having fired a shot.
Your opponent can still move leaders up and try to spot the AT guns but there is no guarantee it will work.
I think it makes sense...at least for initial set up.....
Also, Peter's extensions/mods all All AT guns to be efficient...they have one job....
always felt it a bit odd that the light AT got one shot, but same gun in a tank
can get two...little of that makes sense (targeting ease, loading, aiming,etc...all would seem more constrained in a tank)...
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - joe_oppenheimer - 06-04-2022
(06-04-2022, 08:59 AM)plloyd1010 Wrote:(06-04-2022, 04:53 AM)joe_oppenheimer Wrote: 4th Edition option rules suggest allowing AT guns to setup hidden.
I don't see where that suggestion is. Where did you see it?
I don't. Thinking I misremembered a suggestion for it as an optional rule.
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - plloyd1010 - 06-05-2022
(06-04-2022, 01:58 PM)cjsiam Wrote: I think it makes sense...at least for initial set up.....
Also, Peter's extensions/mods all All AT guns to be efficient...they have one job....
always felt it a bit odd that the light AT got one shot, but same gun in a tank
can get two...little of that makes sense (targeting ease, loading, aiming,etc...all would seem more constrained in a tank)...
My rational for making AT guns efficient, and mentally changing the term from armor efficiency to gunnery efficiency, was that with an AT gun has 5+ guys with elbowroom working it, where as a vehicle gun has 2-3 guys working it in a tight space. I also made AA efficient because they send a lot of rounds down-range, and hitting is really a numbers game in the end. I'll also point out that I flattened the AT probabilities a little.
RE: FaoF--Knightly Combat, Scenario 27 Hidden Units? - waynebaumber - 06-05-2022
Yes Vince and I used hidden A/T guns if in limiting terrain back in the day. This was a way to try and make them more effective and stop them being targeted by OBDA so easily. Peter I like the idea of some A/T guns being efficient particularly the smaller calibres. Also very pleasing that some reads my AAR's though if looking for any tactical tips I suggest you read my opponents AAR's.
PG could benefit from concealment rules I guess but as I am not Senor Jacome I have no huge wish to make the game more complex.
