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To Clarify the pain of 1, 2X, etc....7.6.3 - cjsiam - 07-04-2019
So....
There is a hex....it has a German Platoon and a German Leader.....
It has some severe earth moving done with 3x18 Russian Artillery coming down on their locale...
There is a "1" result rolled on the 54 (just one less then the 55...so unfair.....)
This is read as a loss of 1 step, and all surviving units take an M2 morale check...(according to table...)
This results in (and the question is to verify this):
1) Reduction of the Platoon to a reduced platoon -- the 1 step
2) The Roll of the German Leader for step loss in hex --- rolling for '2' (as russian that's my perspective on his goal...) with a -1 because of one step loss
3) an M2 roll on the leader(assuming he survives the #2) roll), AND M2 on the reduced Platoon
The question was the 3) .... it clearly says that "all surviving units after step losses taken"..... I interpret that
to mean that the reduced platoon (which already took a 1step loss) MUST take an M2 morale check (leader can help if he's not demoralized and has factor).
The question came up that he already took a step loss---and it seemed a "Double Jeopardy" situation....
We went with the interpretation of 7.61 to mean that both the reduced Platoon, and the officer must make M2 morale checks---this becomes harder for
a reduced Platoon (morale goes to 6...down to 4....)
I think we played it right.....can we get a blessing? and dismissal of the "Double Jeopardy" concern?
thanks!
cj
RE: To Clarify the pain of 1, 2X, etc....7.6.3 - plloyd1010 - 07-04-2019
I am a little confused by your sequencing. Anyway how it should go:
- Unit takes step loss
- Leader makes moral check (rule 14.12)
- Reduced unit makes morale check
- Leader makes survival check (rule 6.7)
RE: To Clarify the pain of 1, 2X, etc....7.6.3 - Hugmenot - 07-04-2019
CJ,
Peter's post contains the right sequence. Note the leader survival check happens last and its drm takes account all step losses, even those step losses that were caused by a demoralized unit failing its (M2 in the case you listed) morale check.
RE: To Clarify the pain of 1, 2X, etc....7.6.3 - cjsiam - 07-04-2019
thanks guys...
I think that is what we did....the last thing rolled was the Leader survival after step loss...
We did roll the M2s on both leader and 1/2 Platoon....and that was the question----the double jeopardy was the platoon being subject
to both the initial 1 loss---and then also the M2....
I take it, as neither of you objected to the concept, that the surviving units ARE obligated to take the M2 roll, regardless of
the previous casualties distributed to them....
(and then the leader survival check)
adding to peter's sequence:
1) Unit takes step loss
2) Leader makes moral check (rule 14.12)
3) Reduced unit makes morale check (rule 7.61)
4) Leader makes survival check (rule 6.7)
Thanks!
cj
we played it right
RE: To Clarify the pain of 1, 2X, etc....7.6.3 - plloyd1010 - 07-04-2019
(07-04-2019, 05:36 AM)cjsiam Wrote: I take it, as neither of you objected to the concept, that the surviving units ARE obligated to take the M2 roll, regardless of
the previous casualties distributed to them....
(and then the leader survival check)
That is correct. If ½ my platoon just got scrabbed, I might not feel too perky either. You might look at it as a chance to not be demoralized.
RE: To Clarify the pain of 1, 2X, etc....7.6.3 - cjsiam - 07-04-2019
(07-04-2019, 05:58 AM)plloyd1010 Wrote:(07-04-2019, 05:36 AM)cjsiam Wrote: I take it, as neither of you objected to the concept, that the surviving units ARE obligated to take the M2 roll, regardless of
the previous casualties distributed to them....
(and then the leader survival check)
That is correct. If ½ my platoon just got scrabbed, I might not feel too perky either. You might look at it as a chance to not be demoralized.
After a long discussion and references...
we agreed it was an M2 on survivors....
6(morale of 1/2 platoon)....down two to 4.......
he rolled a 3.......
go figure....
love this game...
IN THE PROCESS of last night---- we ended up doing two turns....because FOW happened on Activation 8 and 9....we each got our 3...
each rolled one successful FOW---then 16....blamo.....
sigh....