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RE: 4th Ed Overrun attacks - Matt W - 06-17-2015
Assault "movement" is actually a fire action. As such it is exempt from the requirement to move only one unit at a time. As a result, extended assault can involve multiple units "moving" into the assault hex in a single action.
Overrun is specifically designated as a movement action and therefore, as in all movement actions, each unit must move, and therefore assault, individually. If multiple AFVs are given a movement order with the intention to overrun that darn mortar platoon holding the road and the first overrunning tank causes the mortar to vaporize, the remaining activated AFVs can move to other locations. If the mortar maintains its cohesion subsequent activated AFVs can use their movement to overrun the mortar until the desired result is reached, other objectives seem more valuable, or all activated AFVs have completed their actions.
The goal of overrun is not the obliteration of the defending unit but actually a way to deliver some punishment without sacrificing all mobility. Note that after the overrun assault the attacking player actually vacates the assault hex. The concept was added to point out that AFVs could and did run through defending lines without stopping. The attacker risks a negative combat result in order to pass through a defended hex. The fact that the defender may be injured by the passing AFVs is secondary.
If you are thinking why such an option would be considered by the attacker I would suggest that its use in many "enter & exit" scenarios will provide the attacker with a significant reason. AFV steps generally count double in such victory conditions so the opportunity to run through the last defending line rather than having to stop and assault, clear the hex, or give up a couple turns in infiltration leaving behind yet another unit, provides an clear advantage.
My use of a mortar in the above example is due to the tactic of using a thin line of light units including mortars to screen objectives such as an exit hex, requiring assault to clear the hex before AFVs could penetrate. Critics of the rules correctly indicated that tanks would not be deterred by a few mortarmen holding a 200 meter section of the line.
RE: 4th Ed Overrun attacks - richvalle - 06-17-2015
Ok sounds good. I wasn't really stuck on them moving together but both being able to assault at the same time.
I does get a little weird with one unit (cav or tank) hanging back to see if the other unit makes it there ok before they start their run up to the assault hex. You would think they would charge up together.
Thanks for the responses.
rv
RE: 4th Ed Overrun attacks - richvalle - 06-18-2015
(06-17-2015, 10:42 PM)Matt W Wrote: Assault "movement" is actually a fire action. As such it is exempt from the requirement to move only one unit at a time. As a result, extended assault can involve multiple units "moving" into the assault hex in a single action.
Overrun is specifically designated as a movement action and therefore, as in all movement actions, each unit must move, and therefore assault, individually. If multiple AFVs are given a movement order with the intention to overrun that darn mortar platoon holding the road and the first overrunning tank causes the mortar to vaporize, the remaining activated AFVs can move to other locations. If the mortar maintains its cohesion subsequent activated AFVs can use their movement to overrun the mortar until the desired result is reached, other objectives seem more valuable, or all activated AFVs have completed their actions.
The goal of overrun is not the obliteration of the defending unit but actually a way to deliver some punishment without sacrificing all mobility. Note that after the overrun assault the attacking player actually vacates the assault hex. The concept was added to point out that AFVs could and did run through defending lines without stopping. The attacker risks a negative combat result in order to pass through a defended hex. The fact that the defender may be injured by the passing AFVs is secondary.
If you are thinking why such an option would be considered by the attacker I would suggest that its use in many "enter & exit" scenarios will provide the attacker with a significant reason. AFV steps generally count double in such victory conditions so the opportunity to run through the last defending line rather than having to stop and assault, clear the hex, or give up a couple turns in infiltration leaving behind yet another unit, provides an clear advantage.
My use of a mortar in the above example is due to the tactic of using a thin line of light units including mortars to screen objectives such as an exit hex, requiring assault to clear the hex before AFVs could penetrate. Critics of the rules correctly indicated that tanks would not be deterred by a few mortarmen holding a 200 meter section of the line.
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Hmmmm... that goes counter to what everyone else was saying, and what I wanted.
What about this from assault rules?:
Resolve the assault after all active units which are
to enter the assault hex this action segment have finished
entering the hex.
There is some advantage to pounding a hex with multiple tanks moving though. I do like rolling on higher columns though.
RE: 4th Ed Overrun attacks - Poor Yorek - 06-18-2015
FWIW (~$0.02) I concur with Matt.
The Overrun section clearly defines an overrun as a move action, not a fire action. This distinguishes an overrun from a cavalry charge which, per 15.3 and by subsequent reference to 12.1, is assault movement - a fire action.
Whilst the parenthetical use of "AFV(s)" in the second paragraph of the Overrun section can be confusing, I think the context as a whole suggests, as Matt noted, one unit moves/overruns at a time. I think this is further supported by the use of the singular in the sentence "If the overrunning AFV or cavalry suffers ..." found in the second paragraph of the section.