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RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - plloyd1010 - 11-23-2014
(11-23-2014, 12:32 AM)rerathbun Wrote: I'd treat the 9-5/5-5 HMGs as a counter error.That is kind of the question is it a change or a pervasive error. Since I have lots of old counters, coming down on the error side isn't very hard. On the other hand, if playing with new players, who only have 4th edition games, there could be a problem.
RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - waynebaumber - 11-23-2014
I put all units of the the same type together so when using German HMG's its just the luck of the draw which ones I pull out of the box to use. My rationale is that some units were better trained with better NCO's could absorb the losses better.
Pretty radical for you purist's I know but I am a pretty radical kind of guy.
RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - vince hughes - 11-23-2014
Locally known as "Radiguy" for short.
RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - warstudent - 11-23-2014
Heers HMGs used to be 9-5/4-5, starting Lib'44 they are 9-5/5-5.
SS HMGs started as 11-5/5-5 in BN & RtB, but became 11-5/6-5 in Elsenborn.
The Heer HMG is 9-5/5-5 in Fall of France and Burning Tigers, and 9-5/4-5 in everything else (the Airbornes, Afrika Korps, Beyond Normandy, Battle of the Bulge, Cassino, Desert Rats, Eastern Front, Elsenborn Ridge, Liberation 1944, Panzer Lehr, Road to Berlin and Heroes of the Soviet Union/Red Warriors.
Could it be that the German HMG starts out in 1939/1940 with the ideal manpower/equiptment/ammunition because Germany hasn't been depleted? In the future because of being spread too thin & the bottom of the barrel scraping for manpower, and ammo/equipment shortages it can vary? Befpre major offensives select units would be able to bulk up on manpower/equipment/ammo?
"RKKA HMGs were 7-4/3-4, with KSF they became 7-4/4-4".
Did the Soviets bulk up for Kursk?
RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - plloyd1010 - 11-23-2014
(11-23-2014, 06:05 AM)warstudent Wrote: Could it be that the German HMG starts out in 1939/1940 with the ideal manpower/equiptment/ammunition because Germany hasn't been depleted? In the future because of being spread too thin & the bottom of the barrel scraping for manpower, and ammo/equipment shortages it can vary? Before major offensives select units would be able to bulk up on manpower/equipment/ammo?Since Mike said it must be a John S. change, and he just gets the manifests, rationalizations in regard to historical intent are probably irrelevant. Since the 9-5/4-5 values appear in EFdx, BN, BB, AK, DR, ER, & RtB; the glut-austerity equation also doesn't work. I think John S. just didn't notice the maxim when he started assigning values.
"RKKA HMGs were 7-4/3-4, with KSF they became 7-4/4-4".
Did the Soviets bulk up for Kursk?
The only real question, assuming you mix unit counters from different games, is what to do with it. In my case, I'll use the older counter and be careful of mixing.
RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - plloyd1010 - 11-23-2014
Radiguy? Do you mean relative to me, Vince? That's something I'd to see!
RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - vince hughes - 11-23-2014
(11-23-2014, 06:05 AM)warstudent Wrote: Could it be that the German HMG starts out in 1939/1940 with the ideal manpower/equiptment/ammunition because Germany hasn't been depleted? In the future because of being spread too thin & the bottom of the barrel scraping for manpower, and ammo/equipment shortages it can vary? Befpre major offensives select units would be able to bulk up on manpower/equipment/ammo?
I think you might be cutting AP a little too much slack there
RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - Hugmenot - 11-25-2014
I use the same procedure as Wayne.
The luck of the leader draw is much important to the scenario balance for me to worry about this extra "1" FP on the reverse side of some HMG counters.
RE: Did anyone else notice the HMGs? - waynebaumber - 11-25-2014
(11-25-2014, 01:14 AM)Hugmenot Wrote: I use the same procedure as Wayne.
The luck of the leader draw is much important to the scenario balance for me to worry about this extra "1" FP on the reverse side of some HMG counters.
Hurrah
