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Now for something else completely different - plloyd1010 - 08-07-2013
Over on BGG there is a Historical Context Forum, in which was asked "What commander would you like to meet?" (I can almost hear Vince snickering already.) I chose Arthur Percival, Phillipe Petain, & Erin Rommel. (It's sort of a what would tell them thing.) Now for the fun part...
At the beginning of an exchange with someone who thinks Hitler is unstoppable in 1934, I injected a comment about telling Jane McCrea to not go pick berries. It was sort of directed toward the British participants, and they didn't know who she was or why she was important. What disturbed me was that my countrymen are equally ignorant of the very small, but tremendously important role she played in our national existence.
Anyone here know why she is important?
RE: Now for something else completely different - wkenney53 - 08-07-2013
American Revolutionary War figure. Engaged to British Officer and was killed by her Indian escorts. She was American. British did not punish the offenders because they didn't want to lose Indian support against the Americans. Americans used this inaction against the British. The rest is history.
RE: Now for something else completely different - Hugmenot - 08-07-2013
The Wikipedia article does not state she was definitely killed by her Indian escort. A second version of the story says she was killed by bullets shot by pursuing Americans.
Regardless, the Patriot propaganda machine took hold of the story and use it very effectively to push their agenda forward.
I am unclear what role, if any, she played other than being slain by Native Americans or killed by an errant(?) bullet shot from an American while being escorted to her Loyalist fiancé.
Peter, I am curious, do you have some information indicating she was helping one cause or the other while she was living?
The story reminds me of some of the French Canadian heroes stories I learned in school. Later readings made me very cynical about the goals the school system was trying to achieve.
RE: Now for something else completely different - wkenney53 - 08-07-2013
Yes that is correct. History is written by the winners. I am not siding one way or the other. All that is certain is, as you pointed out, the propaganda turned many folks from neutral to anti British.
Walt
(08-07-2013, 06:15 AM)Hugmenot Wrote: The Wikipedia article does not state she was definitely killed by her Indian escort. A second version of the story says she was killed by bullets shot by pursuing Americans.
Regardless, the Patriot propaganda machine took hold of the story and use it very effectively to push their agenda forward.
I am unclear what role, if any, she played other than being slain by Native Americans or killed by an errant(?) bullet shot from an American while being escorted to her Loyalist fiancé.
Peter, I am curious, do you have some information indicating she was helping one cause or the other while she was living?
The story reminds me of some of the French Canadian heroes stories I learned in school. Later readings made me very cynical about the goals the school system was trying to achieve.
RE: Now for something else completely different - Shad - 08-07-2013
Living overseas for so long has made me quite aware of this sort of situation, where someone in a war is considered a great hero or famous or important and other "sides" have no idea who the hell the person is.
My most recent self-education along these lines was learning about Norman Bethune.
Who? Precisely.
The highest medical honor in China, bestowed by MiniHealth, is the Norman Bethune Medal.
The guy must have been pretty amazing then huh? Yet I'd never heard of him until I saw his name in the Little Red Book the other day.
Here's his Wikipedia page if you want to unlock the mystery.
RE: Now for something else completely different - Bangla - 08-07-2013
Try Edith Cavell. I'm a Brit living in Belgium. I'd never even heard of her until I had to go into the Edith Cavell hospital for a minor operation. There's even a monument to her in London!
RE: Now for something else completely different - waynebaumber - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 05:19 PM)Bangla Wrote: Try Edith Cavell. I'm a Brit living in Belgium. I'd never even heard of her until I had to go into the Edith Cavell hospital for a minor operation. There's even a monument to her in London!
Edith Cavell, another innocent victim of the brutal Hun. Cue Herr Hughes.
Mind you I am sightly shocked you had not heard of her before Bangla. However I have not heard of PL's American heroine. The American War of Independence, as we Brits call it, is not a huge subject over here. even after 200 plus years we like to pretend it never really happened.
RE: Now for something else completely different - Bangla - 08-07-2013
Wayne
If they would all pay their back taxes to cover the past 200-odd years, I'm sure Her Majesty would welcome them back into the fold, he, he, he.
Regarding Edith Cavell, she did rescue and help Germans as well as the Allies during WWI. But it was helping Allied soldiers escape that finally did for her.
RE: Now for something else completely different - vince hughes - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 09:35 PM)Bangla Wrote: But it was helping Allied soldiers escape that finally did for her.
And there you have it ! Le Franc Tireur. Had to be done
RE: Now for something else completely different - vince hughes - 08-07-2013
I will admit I did like her song though "Non, je ne regrette rien"