08-04-2017, 06:47 AM,
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Poor Yorek
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RE: Russian Army leaders and Guards units
(08-04-2017, 06:28 AM)Hugmenot Wrote: Mike Perryman designed Army Group South Ukraine and thus if he says Guard leaders should be able to affect RKKS leaders, it's good enough for me.
Mike Perryman also designed Broken axis but that one states otherwise. Not sure why or even the rule was submitted that way or was modified in early development.
Sure, given the lack of any official set of rules clarifications from APL there are various options:
1. Rules actually published;
2. Rules passed on by word-of-mouth (message boards) by designers;
3. Whatever one feels like.
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08-04-2017, 07:13 AM,
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RE: Russian Army leaders and Guards units
Gentlemen,
All I can say is that I have always designed and played the games that Guard leaders and commissars can influence RKKA units and leaders but not vice-versa. Make of that what you will. Thanks, Mike
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08-06-2017, 03:30 AM,
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RE: Russian Army leaders and Guards units
Being ex military man an officer is an officer when he tells you to do do something you do it if he out ranks you. I would play for Soviet forces that both Red Army officers and Guard Officers can influence each others units when playing solo, same for US units (Marines and Army) and most other nationalities. My only exceptions might be the SS and Wehrmacht units depending on when the scenario was and I understand co-operation was very poor between the Japanese Army and Navel Ground units.
However if playing FtF I go with the rule-book. In the 4th edition it says "Unless noted in the game or scenarios special rules, leader may activate units of other branches of the same county's military"
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08-07-2017, 03:28 AM,
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Greyfox
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RE: Russian Army leaders and Guards units
Honestly, being a soldier and an officer myself, I need to introduce the concept of "food chain." In the American army, an officer, no matter what the rank, can't just give orders and expect them to be followed. In battle, each subordinate unit is given a mission (task and purpose) to accomplish so that the the larger organization (platoon, company, battalion, regiment, brigaded, division, corp, or army) can achieve its objective(s). Orders must flow through the chain of command (the food or rating chain) to prevent a diffusion of effort. A young Lieutenant could say no or blow off a Colonels directives if the Colonel is working outside his chain of command without worrying about consequences.
We should focus on chains of command. If you have a mixed formation or battle group rules like that could make no sense (no guard officer in charge of RKKA or vice versa), unless that is characteristic of that particular army in that time period.
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08-09-2017, 05:27 PM,
(This post was last modified: 08-10-2017, 07:30 AM by waynebaumber.)
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RE: Russian Army leaders and Guards units
"In the American army, an officer, no matter what the rank, can't just give orders and expect them to be followed."
Really! I think A British officer would expect his orders to be followed unless there were exceptional circumstances. A nice example of the cultural differences between our two nations. I take your point though about chain of command I was thinking more that in the chaos of battle men will turn to who ever offers leadership and the leader counters in PG are those guys.
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